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Re: The Shock Doctrine by Alfonso Cuarón and Naomi Klein



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Ruling class wants a free market?


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But affecting a ... ( 1 year ago by Questionablescum)
But affecting a person's environment is a form of entitlement. And non-voluntary entitlement societies are ultimately coercive and tyrannical, as everyone is forced to help one another. Thus, there is no problem with a voluntary entitlement program in a community, but it should not be coercive.
Stop stopping them ... ( 1 year ago by stratvic)
Stop stopping them from being able to trade freely with the rest of the world through trade restrictions and subsidies and show their governments that freedom is the solution to lifting their people out of poverty and not regulation.
Your discussion is ... ( 1 year ago by Centauro7209)
Your discussion is a little bit abstract. The point of the shock theory is not against the abstract concept of "free market", but against some real practices that have established certain kinds of economic contexts. Your discussion is more philosophical. The "shock theory" is more historical.
Her main premise is ... ( 1 year ago by Nielsio)
Her main premise is illogical and false, both economically and historically.
Maybe false, but ... ( 1 year ago by Centauro7209)
Maybe false, but not illogical (it was better presented than your argument). And, even if it's false (and if it is, you'll have to prove it), it's an interesting interpretation. Not the only one, by the way.
Her main premise is ... ( 1 year ago by Nielsio)
Her main premise is: the ruling class are interested in a free market. If you think for 2 seconds about what a free market is, then the conclusion is that this makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, the phrase 'the ruling class is interested in a free market' is a contradictio in terminis.
Her ideas are fundamentally flawed, and the fact that she gets so much attention and writes books and makes documentaries is terrible, when it's based on such a ridiculous piece of propaganda.
Everything you say ... ( 1 year ago by Centauro7209)
Everything you say is abstract. You are discussing about concepts, not realities, and only that. You have a fixed idea of what a free market is; but she has another and she is trying to show some mechanisms that work on it in reality, not discussing if what you think about an abtract concept makes sense with what you think about another abstract concept (the concept of "ruling class"). Talk about real people in real places making real practices.
Don't come here ... ( 1 year ago by Centauro7209)
Don't come here pretending to show logic flaws in the arguments, because those flaws only exist because of your arguments, while she is trying to show some facts.
If you don't ... ( 1 year ago by Nielsio)
If you don't properly use knowledge and the scientific method, you have no right to speak.
A ruling class does ... ( 1 year ago by jimlick)
A ruling class does not want free markets. It wants oligopoly. Oligopoly is often dressed up in the clothes of the free market but it is not. The fact that so many people fall for this fraud is the real problem. A "shock doctrine" is only a tool, and neither it nor free markets are the real problem.
Awesome response, I ... ( 1 year ago by Lagwagon555)
Awesome response, I totally agree with you.
Does the Patriotism ... ( 8 months ago by franmandc)
Does the Patriotism act sound familiar? Ho long did it take to push it through after 9/11? Two seconds?
Naomi Klein is a ... ( 8 months ago by kulza23)
Naomi Klein is a tool. She also doesn't know how to use a dictionary.
Thanks I couldn't ... ( 6 months ago by egosumabbas)
Thanks I couldn't have come up with a better response to the naomi klein madness. She's confused mercantilism with the free market. I like your picture of Bastiat on your wall by the way. You rock!
I dont want to ... ( 5 months ago by ChaconChe)
I dont want to throw your opinions to the ground. but i must admit that they are highly flawed. I admit that Kleins and Cuarons video/speech is very extreme, but i agree with it. Over the course of history, including the war in Iraq has been made possible through some form of disaster or a man planned disaster. I also think that by free market she is mainly applying it to the providers (mainly rich people that dont share their profits) the whole trickle down effect which is complete BS.Thanks
Damn...it's called ... ( 5 months ago by dersheldogg)
Damn...it's called the Patriot Act. Come on.
Good video. That ... ( 5 months ago by Transitiving)
Good video. That video pissed me off. I do think governments like the US should stop persuading or demanding that other countries convert to a "free market" because it inevitably it won't be but when nothing changes they will blame free market and the US. If other country want to fuck their economy's let them
I was rather struck ... ( 5 months ago by Revuhlooshun)
I was rather struck by the notion that somehow a profit system combined with healthcare isn't a bad idea.
If anything, it's one of the few things that shouldn't have a profit motive involved at all. The two ideas instantly clash with one another. The purpose of healthcare is to take care of people, which costs money. The purpose of profit is to make as much money with the least amount of it put in.
A profit motive instantly reduces the coverage. You make more money covering less people.
The ground problem ... ( 3 months ago by nicobolso)
The ground problem is a misdefinition of a free market as an absence of state regulations. The thing is, the state doesn't have the monopoly of coercion, so an unregulated market isn't "free" at all.
Hello, thanks for ... ( 2 months ago by roughnecks2007)
Hello, thanks for vid,but while listening to you talk I clinch because it seems overtly obvious that you haven't read the book yet in full and are basing most of your arguments on a short 7min promo designed to provoke attention.The book is not an outright attack on "capitalism" "profit" etc..she distinctly talks about the guise that this new "disaster capitalism"(corporatism)takes which trumpets the call of "free markets" but is a creature all of its own.I highly recommend this book-info=power
I just checked the ... ( 2 months ago by Nielsio)
I just checked the wiki of her book, and it doesn't even mention corporatism. It says literally that 'free market policies' and 'free market economies' have been created, and she mentioned things like Iraq as prime examples of it. No proponent of real freedom and opponent of state power would ever put it like that.
See my video 're: disaster at the market' and the person I'm responding too to understand what her listeners are getting from her.
Look, I'm really ... ( 2 months ago by roughnecks2007)
Look, I'm really not some "anti capitalism" guy nor a blind disciple of Klein, and I cannot account for the way others have interpreted her work. but I cant help but be a little unnerved that you are coming with a counter argument starting with "I just checked the wiki..doesn't mention corporatism." I have the book, I'm looking at it right now, page 18 just for example has a large example of what Corporatism is, I mean I could start posting quotes but I don't want to spam more than i have.
That's not very ... ( 2 months ago by Nielsio)
That's not very convincing, especially in the face of the language that Klein uses. It's the language that only socialists, Marxists, and every other creed of real free market haters use.
Google mises institute or lewrockwell for some real economic insights and pro free market language.
You can do better ... ( 1 month ago by Nielsio)
You can do better than that.



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