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Hateful & violent Islam! Peaceful Christianity! True? False?



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Christianity and Violence
It's rather ironic that a religion which so publicly proclaims Absolute Love as its basis should, over the course of history, spawn so much unmitigated hatred and violence. Is it simply that Christianity is a failure in inspiring better conduct from otherwise hopelessly evil human beings, or is there some aspect of Christianity which in fact encourages or promotes some of the baser aspects of human behavior? Perhaps it is a bit of both.
Concern about rampant violence has become ever more central in public discussions in America recently, especially where it involves the nation's youth. Recent incidents of brutal and deadly attacks by children against children have prompted an intense debate as to the cause and solutions for what is perceived as degenerating culture. It is rather ironic that the increase in attention happens at a time when actual incidents of violence are decreasing. Not only are the general statistics of violence showing a dramatic decrease with increasing rates of decrease, but even violence against children is decreasing.
But it is a truism that exceptional cases make for bad law and bad legal precedents. Following along in parallel, the exceptional cases of youth violence are being used by opportunistic politicians and religious leaders to create genuinely bad laws. Simple people are searching for simple causes and simple solutions.
The simplest among them immediately claim that the cause for youth violence must be the lack of government supported religion in children's lives, so their natural conclusion is that our government should increase its involvement with religion. And not just any religion - Christianity is the first and usually only choice. Practical policy suggestions include daily prayers, bible readings, and the ever popular posting of the Ten Commandments.
It would perhaps be unacceptable in some circles to point out the fact that in many European countries, religion plays an even smaller role in people's lives than it does in America - yet levels of violence are lower than here. Were a lack of religion any sort of cause of violence, then we would find higher amounts of violence in countries like Germany rather than Ireland, where both religion and violence have been prominent in daily life.
Facts like this must lead any rational person to treat claim of religion as a solution to our ills - real or perceived - with real skepticism. Religion has in fact done even more to promote base inhumanity when it has become wedded to ruling political powers. It has been a common pattern throughout human history that wherever religious dogmas have gained worldly power, violence was abetted rather than stopped. Even if a person were to successfully argue that none of the violence was caused by religion, the fact would remain that religion not only failed to stop it, but has actually served as a useful tool for those perpetuating it.
Is Christianity only a religion of Peace and Love? I do not think that anyone can honestly and objectively examine American or European history and answer "yes" to that question. Christianity can encourage Peace and Love - but it certainly need not, and it quite often has done just the opposite. Although the people responsible for violence might have found a way to express their hatred without Christianity, it cannot be ignored that Christianity offers a convenient divine mandate for hatred and violent acts against a wide range of people.
As a reference for those who find that it is sometimes necessary to education others about the history of violence associated with Christianity, below is a list of links to various eras and incidents. In each case, religion has served as a principle catalyst for the violence or has, at the very least, assisted in justifying and perpetuating that violence.
Early Christianity
Violent inclinations in Christianity are apparent right from the beginning. Although it is often argued that violence during Christian history is simply an aberration which results from people who twisted the original Christian message, that may not be entirely true. Violent inclinations in Christianity are apparent right from the beginning.
Modern Christianity
Although one might imagine that the violence of Christianity would be relegated to the distant past, that hasn't been the case. The course of modernity has been one strewn with blood, bones, and bodies - much of which can be attributed to Christianity.
Modern America
America in the 20th century has suffered from many violent incidents which can be traced back to Christianity. Some have been organized, others not so organized, but all the result of specifically violent or dangerous doctrines promoted in Christian churches.
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Wise people finally ... ( 1 week ago by PurgingFalsehood)
Wise people finally come to the path of all prophets - Islam.
Also wise people understand that Roman Paganism (Existing Christianity) founded by a tent maker Roman Jew Saul later called Paul, & canonized by Roman Pagan's Emperor Constantine & council of Nicaea 325 AD has in no way any relation with the teaching of Jesus who like Abraham Moses Muhammad just preached Islam.
Paul has created biggest dogmatic fiction of mankind history & his believers are the most deluded people on this planet
I think you mean ... ( 1 week ago by mordinvan)
I think you mean wise people will cast aside the false bronze age gods of their fathers, and understand the universe as it is, and not as they want it to be. There is no one sending us messaged or prophets from beyond. Only the here and now, and do think otherwise is to alleviate yourself of the responsibility for your actions, and pose a dire threat to those around you.
I'd vote worse, ... ( 1 week ago by adolthitler)
I'd vote worse, christian nations declared war on other nations. Muslim declare nothing and just bomb randomly. They believe it is fair and right in the koran, to do so. They also believe it is right to lie to any non muslim. This two faced attitude, leaves no room for respect for allah, mohammud, or islam, in decent people.
You might be right ... ( 1 week ago by adolthitler)
You might be right about all the OT prophets preaching islam. The OT was a violent and bloody place, just like the koran. Wise people shun all religions, so you are wrong on at least one point.
I am not defending ... ( 1 week ago by CHAS1422)
I am not defending Christianity or it's penchant for war. I am addressing the claim of "victim" in the point made in the video. Europe was invaded many times by outside forces in pre-history. As I said in my comment, it is nothing new. But Islamists always bring up the crusades as a starting point of European aggression toward the innocent Muslim, and I say BS. Also, Muhammed was not avenging attacks on Egypt. Muhammed knew little about the rest of the world. He just wanted to spread his system.
Yes, all religions ... ( 1 week ago by VitaminTMan)
Yes, all religions are violent either towards other groups, or against themselves. All religions also have the capacity for great good... but who wants that when you can just kill people?! lol
Really though, secular society has had it's share of atrocities as well... but at least atheists don't kill millions of people because of our lack of God, atheists kill people for political reasons!
I guess people are just violent dick heads in general... I like to think we'll get better some day, tho.
interesting! u r ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
interesting! u r more balanced in your points than i initially gave you credit for. nevertheless, i feel that any honest european/white person/europhile, irrespective of their religion, has no right protesting invasions of europe - the medieval middle easterners (descendants of babylonians, assyrians and egyptians who were ravaged by rome) are the ONLY one of europe's exhaustive list of conquered nations to have dared to hit back. so they did it under the guise of islam, so wot? good for them!
so the muslim ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
so the muslim terrorists represent my religion?? did it occur to you that islamic terrorism occurs for POLITICAL REASONS too? how many times has america or israel been caught red handed supporting "islamic terror" far beyond anything a raving mullah would be capable of doing? Israel created Hamas, USA created alqaeda, USA created Saddam, USA supports kurdish in iran, balochs in pak, uighurs in china and chechnyans in russia -->
I blame Islam for ... ( 1 week ago by CHAS1422)
I blame Islam for creating Hamas, AlQaeda, Hesbullah, the Hashishin etc..., These groups quote directly from the Koran ALL THE TIME! They swear by the Koranic codes of conduct! And thier sources are all verifiable! I blame the Baathists for creating Sadaam. Stop shifting the blame for self failure and own up to the source of the problem. The sickness keeps cropping up, and the villians keep blaming the victim for the acts of terror they themselves commit.
villains blaming ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
villains blaming the victim? america LOVED saddam until he suggested that israel was wrong for blaming the palestinians and he dared to stand up to the israeli lies. then america decided he needed to go. koranic codes of warfare implicitly ordain violence as self defence and prohibit violence against non-combatants, heck they even condemn uprooting trees and disturbing anthills while preparing for wars! israel created hamas to counter arafat. now it uses fatah against hamas.
My point was just ... ( 1 week ago by VitaminTMan)
My point was just that people are dick heads. You, me, Saddam, the Pope, the Kurds, the Jews, the Hindus, the agnostics, Israel, the US, the Chinese the Russians. Humans in general. We'll fight for stupid things and think we're awsome for it, politics, religion, what ever, doesn't matter... that was all I was saying... I wasn't pointing at one specific group.
And my point is ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
And my point is that people will demarcate themselves one way or another. we will always "tribalise" ourselves and therefore find cassus belli to initiate war with a different tribe. If i erased all trace of religion today, then we would tribalise tomorrow along different lines and fight over something else - be it skin colour, language, ethnicities, hairstyles, families, nationalities. fundamentally, war is the same as economics, it is due to infinite human wants and finite resources.
i think vitaminTman ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
i think vitaminTman, u and i probably agree in essence and we have an understanding of human nature that far exceeds any of the other sheep-like plebians on these websites, who constantly troll "religion causes war and atheism doesn't" or "xtianity causes war" or "islam causes war" ad nauseam. the truth is, human beings (dickheads as u so aptly put it) cause war. now since u and i are the only ones who understand this, we should start our own tribe and declare war against all other tribes.
America is not one ... ( 1 week ago by CHAS1422)
America is not one opinion. Nobody in America loved Sadaam. He rose to power through connections in his own family and his own culture. He ruled over his kith and kin. America dealt with him as they would any other ruthless dictator. He invaded Kuwait, and Kuwait asked for international help. Sadaam was a threat to ALL the regional nations, and that was Sadaam's downfall. Muslims are obsessed with Israel. It is the blame bucket for all of their problems. The hatred is vile and almost psychotic.
Array ( 1 week ago by yakmanok)
Two things:
First: Slave traders were muslim arabs selling slaves every where.
second: what have buddhists ever done to muslim? Yet muslims go about destroying buddhist holy places and kill non-violent buddhists?
the second thing ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
the second thing you stated needs to be substantiated. the taleban in afghanistan destroyed the buddha statues in anger because the UN sent money to repair them but did not send humanitarian aid at the time because of sanctions. it was an act of protest, a very bad one yes, but a protest it was, it was not an act of cultural suppression as western commentators have termed it. there are many south east asian nations where buddhists and muslims live together peacefully: cambodia, myanmar, laos...
...malaysia, ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
...malaysia, singapore....not forgetting china. there are political troubles in thailand involving buddhists and muslims - that is the only example i know of, and again it probably boils down to ethnicity more than religion, although i am no expert.
moreover, not all ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
moreover, not all buddhists are by default peace-loving. i saw pictures of robed buddhist people beating the crap out of han chinese in tibet not so long ago. so let's not generalise about anybody on the basis of religion please.
for the slave trade ... ( 1 week ago by DocMirza)
for the slave trade, yes, arab traders were profiteering from selling slaves. is this something islamically ordained? no. islam had the courage to address slavery at a time when it was rampant, something NO OTHER religious movement of the time did. it didn't propose a magical solution, because it isnt a magical religion where people perform miracles overnight, but rather a long-term and more gradual fix...by ordaining that the highest act of charity was freeing a slave.
Christians who kill ... ( 6 days ago by kiddo500)
Christians who kill people arent fed with love the Love of Christ, but they they are hungry for money and power. But Christians who are fed with the Love of Christ, they are the ones that get killed for their own faith. This is the reason why "TRUE" Christians have so many Myrtors who got slaughtered for Loving Jesus Christ. Even Catholic officals killed true Catholics because the evil ones wanted to kill the church from within. So being Christian dosent "automatic" make you Holy, you have to
work for it like ... ( 6 days ago by kiddo500)
work for it like the Fransican brothers who went to Moroco to preach the Name of Jesus with love, but then got perescuted by some evil people for their true faith.
God Bless the Catholic Church.
kiddo, does that ... ( 6 days ago by isamsb)
kiddo, does that include the 19 catholic popes that slaughtered over 100 million people during the inquisitions and invented the state of the art torture tools.
No it dosent my ... ( 5 days ago by kiddo500)
No it dosent my borhter. Now I dont know how much of 19 catholic popes is accurate (I hope you didnt get all of your information from youtube) but like I said, being a Catholic dosent make you automaticaly Holy. You really have to follow the teachings and doctrines of the Church in order to become Holy. Just like Saint Lucy who got her eyes plucked out because she didnt want to refuce Jesus Christ. There were other woman saints who got their breasts cut of because of their Holy Faith thats
kiddo, following ... ( 5 days ago by isamsb)
kiddo, following the "teachings and doctrine" of whom?? did Jesus pbuh tell you to follow them or he warned you from wolves making their own doctrine like your popes did.
Mark 7:9
And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!



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