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As was Emperor Napoleon who inspired this work. Long live Emperor Napoleon.

ahora si del todo.. !Magnamente HERMOSO

hi! This's funny fight, why don't just turn off your monitor and... listen, that's only my opinion...be happy...

what's wrong with making it theatrical? As a musician myself I rather like seeing the musicians play. If you don't like it, then minimize the window.

Sorry a Lied is not a symphony, but it's great that you love music. What I don't like is when you attack the art of conducting and say " conductors rarely keep time since the players know the pieces". This is an example of the ignorance about conducting and frankly I can't blame you since there are a lot of clowns conducting today. You are right- Bernstein was great. Did you see him rehearse? I challenge you to tell me what the function of a conductor is in rehearsal and in concert.

Please reply to matter in hand. What do you mean by the inane comment of "staginess and histrionics" Von K's sincerity or lack there of is your subjective view point.. Do you mean theatrical is bad? However every great performance has a sense of theatre about it. Did you actually ever see Karajan live conducting by heart in a manner that can only be comapred to a sculptor creating a masterpiece? It's wonderful that this is captured on film. Don't just jump on anti-Karajan bandwagon. Listen.

No need to be defensive. You're attacking points I didn't make. I didn't say a word about fidelity to the score. He was a great classical artist, and I'm sure he was faithful to it. Compare this to another performance. Look at the way the orchestra is presented. Look at the conductor. Pay attention to the camera work. If you don't appreciate the differences, I don't think I can make them obvious to you. This is movie-making, and therefore not much to my taste. That is all I am saying.

Conducting professor...Really? I always hate people who tell me I cant refer to any type of piece of music as a "song" even though thats exactly what it is. A Lied is the basis of almost all western music, which means song if you didnt know that. Im not being ignorant at all, and actually I m being cynical...very. I hate the way Karajan conducts but yet I like plenty of other conductors, for example Leonard Bernstien, who is one of my all time favorites. Your the ignorant one.

Well! Another expert of conducting who is so well qualkified to criticize the conducting of a Beethoven symphony. Never mind that he refesr to the symphony as a "song". I wouldn't care what you c all it except that previously you pretend to know what you are talking about:"Honestly besides keeping time, which conductors rarely do anymore since every musican knows the pieces".I challenge you to write down what you actually think a conductor does. I think you are not cynical, just ignorant.

I challenge you handsomechuck1 to get out your score and make a more concrete critique. Fair enough if you are not a musician, but then please be more concrete with your criticism. What does "staginess and historionics" mean. I would love to hear a real criticism. Please tell me of another (and provide recording: audio or video) recording that is so true to beethoven's score. Or are you just out to bitch?

No human being can create such beauty. Beethoven was a God.

Honestly besides keeping time, which conductors rarely do anymore since every musican knows the pieces, its their job to provide the theatricality as you say. But the thing is it also turns me off, and ya I do think He is sincere although its really not needed since in order to feel the song I dont need a conductor pumping his fists at me.

@handsomechuck1 yeah he is over the top in this but I saw him conduct Tchaikovsky's fifth which is to say the least gives the opportunity to be theatrical and he was not. So maybe it's just this piece

Do you really think that all of this is sincere? Does anyone else get turned off by staginess, histrionics, and theatricality of a Karajan production?

I'm playing this piece this year with the Downtown Symphony Orchestra in NYC and I'm left speachless by their performance. And YEA 10 STARS to the conductor for just feelin' it!!! He was so passionate! He never opened his eyes...NOT ONCE!! Simply moving!

.....Or any kind of skill.....this music just elevates oneself......one word comes to my mind....sublime....

"Confound it, where do the people have their ears and hearts that they do not get this." -Mahler

AND Anton Bruckner's Symphony No.2, 2nd Movement.

Thank you so much!

Azalem, If you like this part, you must check out Mahler's 3rd symphony-last movement. Do it now.

1:00 to 1:15 Heaven breaks and God descends to earth in the form of a sound. This part always brings tears to my eyes, chills, and makes me humble at spirit.

An incredible ending!!

Eu apenas "escucho". Não precisa realmente pensar em nada. Apenas deixa fluir... Os pensamentos virão conforme as situaciones em que cada um de nós se encontre...

Amazing, touches every emotion~ Both Beethoven and Karajan and the performers were brilliant~ A lot of people forget that the performers also need mention and credit ^^.

Impresionante, realmente impresionante: ¿qué tipo de pensamientos acuden al escuchar esta sinfonía?